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A couple of amusing takes on the current state of the Cruising art, courtesy of BLUE WATER SAILING... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 3:29 pm

America is an unparalleled state of affluence in world history in which the rich are truly rich -- Jonthan William Huntley van der Bilt III -- 7/11/2006, 3:42 pm

It's all relative, I suppose... Actually, compared to the Hinckley 42 daysailer... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 4:06 pm

Well, heavens to Betsy! I didn't know the Swan had a lifting keel... -- Jonthan William Huntley van der Bilt III -- 7/11/2006, 4:14 pm

Okay, guys, what sailing magazines do you like? (link) -- staceyneil, s/v Zora -- 7/12/2006, 4:50 am

Seems to me, CW is the only one that's gonna do you justice... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 8:26 am

I'll 2nd Good Old Boat. -- Julio, Seafarer 30, SF Bay -- 7/12/2006, 9:02 am

I'll third GOB. After 10 years of taking CW all I read now is GOB and NET. (nm) -- Geres -- 7/12/2006, 1:40 pm

I'll 2nd CW and GOB, but... -- Dave Evans -- 7/12/2006, 10:01 am

Unfortunately, I was a dummy and threw out all the high-res shots of the refit... (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/12/2006, 1:00 pm

Stacey, why do it --why write articles for magazines? -- Jud - s/v Sputnik -- 7/12/2006, 1:16 pm

All of the above. (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/12/2006, 1:33 pm

If you want $ seems to me... -- Geres -- 7/12/2006, 1:49 pm

While the temptation is there to... -- Geres -- 7/12/2006, 1:58 pm

Or do BOTH... -- Geres -- 7/12/2006, 2:04 pm

Geres, aren't describing exactly what everyone's blasting BlueSphere and Bumfuzzles for? LOL (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/13/2006, 4:44 am

Dunno. I skipped those threads :-) (nm) -- Geres -- 7/13/2006, 5:42 am

sickening -- Michael -- 7/15/2006, 11:34 pm

Mikee EAT a red we just don't care (nm) -- Obi One Canobi -- 7/16/2006, 8:47 am

I can't think of a less profitable, more difficult way to fill a cruising kitty than writing a book. -- Red -- 7/13/2006, 5:46 am

I can. -- Quiller -- 7/13/2006, 7:19 am

Thanks for your candor, Stacey -- Jud - s/v Sputnik -- 7/12/2006, 2:13 pm

money making ideas -- Michael s/v Sannyasin -- 7/12/2006, 3:24 pm

Hey Michael, great ideas! (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/13/2006, 4:53 am

too bad you didn't have video to go with the still shots... -- Michael s/v Sannyasin -- 7/13/2006, 11:55 am

Thanks for your input, Jon... (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/12/2006, 12:58 pm

I'm not reading much -- rickf -- 7/12/2006, 8:54 am

different mags for different reasons... -- Michael s/v Sannyasin -- 7/12/2006, 10:38 am

Oh, yeah.. SAILING The Beauty of Sail... I forgot about that one! (nm) (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/12/2006, 1:02 pm

Sorry, I was wrong... -- Michael s/v Sannyasin -- 7/12/2006, 5:57 pm

I subscribe to GOB and SCA. (nm) -- Tod Mills -- 7/12/2006, 3:02 pm

What's SCA? Not SSCA? (nm) (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/13/2006, 5:00 am

Small Craft Advisor (nm) -- Charlie Jones -- 7/13/2006, 5:20 am

forgot- here's a link -- Charlie Jones -- 7/13/2006, 6:09 am

SCA, Sailing, MAIB, SWSS, Boatbuilding. (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/12/2006, 4:23 pm

Yachting Monthly (good UK pub with a lot of "serious" cruising boat content. -- Dan -- 7/12/2006, 4:34 pm

Thanks- I just emailed them. I'd looked at the other mags in that family but missed that one. (nm) (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/13/2006, 5:10 am

Magazines to pitch -- Phil - Boatless in CO - for now -- 7/12/2006, 5:22 pm

Wow, great idea. thanks! (nm) (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/13/2006, 4:55 am

Lats & Atts & G.O.B. (nm) -- A.C. -- 7/13/2006, 4:45 am

Practical Sailor, Latitude 38, maybe Sail (link) (pic) -- sded -- 7/13/2006, 7:31 am

speaking of magazines... -- Hartley -- 7/13/2006, 7:30 pm

Who exactly are you? -- Cary Sutton -- 8/8/2006, 1:21 pm

I may ask the same: Who exactly are you? -- Bill -- 8/8/2006, 1:39 pm

What makes you think this is a democracy? -- Michael -- 8/8/2006, 2:01 pm

and anyway the USA is a republic government, not democratic (nm) -- quedice -- 8/8/2006, 4:22 pm

Proper term is 'constitutional republic' ....except... -- Michael -- 8/8/2006, 4:36 pm

we vote for others to vote for us = republic (nm) -- quedice -- 8/8/2006, 7:58 pm

I think the correct term is "representative democracy", but whatever makes you happy..... (nm) -- Glenn Duncan -- 8/9/2006, 12:12 am

Hmmm, by adroitly doing research AFTER opening my big mouth, I see that... -- Glenn Duncan -- 8/9/2006, 12:18 am

guilty as charged -- quedice -- 8/9/2006, 6:16 am

I luv's phishing...you can always catch a sucker -- Michael -- 8/9/2006, 1:07 pm

just to stir things up - that WAS the original idea (pic) -- Todd V Acceptance -- 8/9/2006, 6:26 am

But you keep voting for them? Why? There are other choices. (nm) -- Michael -- 8/9/2006, 1:09 pm

Praise the Lord and Swan -- Todd V Acceptance -- 7/11/2006, 3:45 pm

... and a couple of whiners the Bumfuzzles are too -- Don A. -- 7/11/2006, 5:22 pm

"Ugly Americans" - has anybody actually read the book? -- DDW -- 7/11/2006, 6:02 pm

Read Graham Greene's "The Quiet American" for a more compelling portrait -- flq -- 7/11/2006, 6:18 pm

Wow someone else actually read the book! -- Michael -- 7/21/2006, 3:48 pm

Here's the whining in question, from the BUMFUZZLE Pacific crossing/Marquesas log...incredible!! -- Mick -- 7/11/2006, 6:13 pm

LMAO! "I don't even know why they make monohulls any more..." (link) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 7:07 pm

Obviously these folks fit the "vacation mode" you described the other day of "nouveau cruisers..." -- Gene Carman -- 7/12/2006, 10:54 am

Bumfuzzle -- Jen -- 7/21/2006, 2:22 pm

HEAR YE, HEAR YA. All Bumfuzzles....unite. Stand up for all 'innocents abroad'; gather here and -- Fred -- 7/21/2006, 3:16 pm

Geeze and I thought I was a whiner -- Steve P -- 7/12/2006, 12:02 pm

Bumfuzzel and "kids" out cruising -- Mike Landers -- 7/12/2006, 10:08 am

ignore them and just go for it -- quedice -- 7/12/2006, 11:52 am

i liked the floating baby (nm) -- quedice -- 7/12/2006, 3:01 pm

a champion surfer, a cancer survivor, a professional chef and a newborn -- JPL -- 7/12/2006, 3:41 pm

Some GREAT quotes and accompanying photos on the SV Sereia website: -- Bob -- 7/12/2006, 3:53 pm

ROTFL.......excellent! (nm) -- Tod Mills -- 7/12/2006, 5:35 pm

the "Pimp My Ride" video was funny too -- that poor boat (nm) -- JPL -- 7/13/2006, 8:59 am

"It's like I'm driving a goddamn Pez dispenser" LOL!! Very fun video...they've got the spirit! (nm) -- David -- 7/13/2006, 10:02 am

Oh my god. I love these guys! Now THEY are having fun. (nm) (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/13/2006, 9:58 am

Liz Clark seems to really try to mix with the locals -- Dan -- 7/13/2006, 1:41 pm

Plus she's got a hot surfer body in the pics! -- Bill -- 7/13/2006, 3:36 pm

If she keeps eating at Mc'D's she'll be just another -- Obi One Canobi -- 7/15/2006, 10:43 am

OK pal, get your female sailors right --this is not Ali Bumfuzzle; that thread is about Surfer Liz -- Anonymous Jerk -- 7/15/2006, 10:05 pm

your so easy (nm) -- Obi One Canobi -- 7/16/2006, 8:43 am

I don't really get rythmic breeze's site -- Jim -- 7/13/2006, 1:46 pm

Thanks mike--where are you? (link) -- Eric! -- 7/13/2006, 4:00 pm

And where are you crusing now? -- Dave Westsail 42 Elysium -- 7/11/2006, 7:12 pm

You must have been one of the stuck up snobby cruisers they met. -- Jason, Portland, OR -- 7/12/2006, 8:26 am

No, they're not "out there" at all -- Steve -- 7/12/2006, 8:35 am

Everyone travels and experiences things differently... -- Jason, Portland, OR -- 7/12/2006, 9:02 am

You got that right --some whine perpetually and navel-gaze, other don't! -- Steve -- 7/12/2006, 11:16 am

Their website/logs should be sub-titled, "On the hunt for fast food in the world's exotic cultures" -- Paul Malone/CD 30 -- 7/12/2006, 11:53 am

And what is wrong with that? -- Jason, Portland, OR -- 7/12/2006, 1:25 pm

I wonder if they taste like cardboard? like the ones in San Pedro -- Catalina Kids -- 7/12/2006, 4:14 pm

Dang, I couln't've said that any better!!!! (link) -- Bubba -- 7/12/2006, 4:21 pm

"I'd rather be kicked in the nuts than eat at McDonalds." (nm) -- Bubba -- 7/12/2006, 5:02 pm

LMAO! So, then, Rod - handing you a Big Mac would be worse than... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 4:57 pm

:) yep, I didn't sail down here to have a coors lite -- Catalina Kids -- 7/13/2006, 10:50 am

What the HELL you talking about...Coors Lite rules...Coors Extra Lite even more -- Pops -- 7/13/2006, 12:59 pm

Hey Pops. Don't you know Coors just adds water to the regular beer to make the lite. And -- WackoJacko -- 7/13/2006, 1:17 pm

he's old, has NO taste or even tastebuds, Mac26 and Coors lite-just shoot me if these are ever my choices PLEASE (nm) -- Bin GettinAny -- 7/13/2006, 3:00 pm

Y'all don't know what your missing --try it with a Slim Jim and a menthol Old Masters cigar...a bit of heaven! -- Pops -- 7/13/2006, 3:24 pm

That's no worse than Corona. A testament to marketing... -- Larry s/v Symmetri -- 7/13/2006, 8:31 pm

Victoria dark or Pacifico in the bottle, no cans -- Catalina Kids -- 7/14/2006, 9:38 am

The limes are to clean the mouth of the bottle (link) -- Brian Grant -- 7/15/2006, 5:34 am

Coors Light is for old farts on Mac26's ;) (nm) -- Catalina Kids -- 7/13/2006, 6:30 pm

light beer is an oxymoron (nm) -- bill -- 7/14/2006, 5:00 am

And rums!!!! (nm) (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/14/2006, 10:42 am

...while complaining about the countries you're visiting and begging for money along the way -- Paul Malone/CD 30 -- 7/12/2006, 2:00 pm

Let's see; my guess is you pay for...... -- Dave Westsail 42 Elysium -- 7/12/2006, 4:07 pm

Hmmm, you've got me thinking here, Dave... As the #1 Gasbag around here... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 5:02 pm

He already has a tip jar, it is just.... -- Dave Westsail 42 Elysium -- 7/13/2006, 3:29 pm

Speak for yourself, Jason -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/13/2006, 6:26 am

Well then, I sure as hell don't want to be grouped with a$$holes like you and the others here..... -- Jason, Portland, OR -- 7/13/2006, 8:16 am

Dang, I feel soooooooo lame. Oh wait, I AM lame... :D (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/13/2006, 8:21 am

But your cool lame :D :D :D -- Jason, Portland, OR -- 7/13/2006, 8:28 am

Some people search for something of significance in life. -- Laura, Meridian 25, Magnolia Beach, TX -- 7/13/2006, 10:01 am

Being is out there is all that counts... LOL -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/13/2006, 6:48 am

HOOOO HAAAA! ...OHHHHH YEAH! And a big RIGHT ON! (nm) -- Breaker 2 -- 7/13/2006, 7:12 am

For once I agree with Brian Grant on a topic --"Boring people lead boring lives" -- Alex M. -- 7/13/2006, 8:35 am

Here's the *KEY* difference with the logs of SV Bumfuzzle (vs. SV Sereia, for example) --it's reality TV on a boat -- Lawrence -- 7/13/2006, 10:53 am

Or poluting the internet with your... -- A.C. -- 7/13/2006, 1:10 pm

Bumfuzzle Sonata in Whine Major, Opus 1 -- Lawrence -- 7/13/2006, 4:01 pm

I don't know, I like them. They aren't your normal "salty-salts"; but they seem to do one thing really well. (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/11/2006, 6:23 pm

I'd never looked at their site prior to tonight... (link) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 6:47 pm

Jon, could you spare a dime? LOL Hey they're no blushing brides, but the cruising logs out there get a tad repetitive. (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/11/2006, 7:20 pm

(That;s us paying for the drinks you understand Jon.... we have much to learn) (nm) (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/11/2006, 7:45 pm

Re: flattery will get you everywhere with us".....Don't you mean 'tipping us'? (nm) -- Kelly -- 7/11/2006, 7:50 pm

No, I don't have feelings one way or the other on their request. I wouldn't do it but hey, I don't judge very harshly (nm) (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/11/2006, 8:05 pm

I agree, they ARE pretty amusing... nice pic in LATTS & ATTS, by the way (nm) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 7:52 pm

Thanks Jon, had 10-15 over the years, Don't tell me you're becoming an old fuddy-duddy. Weren't you a hippie? (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/11/2006, 7:58 pm

Yeah, Gibson's the one that used to be a hippie... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 8:19 pm

Those "kids" drop many many thousands repairing their brand-newcat and now they have a hand-out link on their website?! -- Bob Paulson -- 7/11/2006, 7:50 pm

You sound jealous. It was a used Cat BTW. And they were brutally honest about the boat's shortcomings (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/11/2006, 8:03 pm

Their itemized expenses page is a jaw-dropping read... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/11/2006, 8:14 pm

Best of all: their itemized list of expenses includes "$215 @ McDonald's in Tahiti" !!! (nm) -- Zachary Simon -- 7/13/2006, 5:08 pm

LMFAO! Well, it's a good thing they're out cruising while they're young... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/13/2006, 5:53 pm

Again, as much as one might not like their style, at least they're out doing it! (link) -- staceyneil, s/v Zora -- 7/12/2006, 4:15 am

SOON? Hell, I'd settle for... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 5:06 am

Good points Jon... -- Gene Carman -- 7/12/2006, 11:05 am

I know what you mean... It's the simplicity I love out there too. (link) -- staceyneil -- 7/12/2006, 1:37 pm

Jon,you should read "Yachting"! -- Ken J. Invincible Summer, Alberg 35, Charleston SC -- 7/11/2006, 8:46 pm

Not so much YACHTING, but a few of the other Mega-glossies... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 3:58 am

I forget what the name of the magazine was but (link) -- Brian Grant -- 7/12/2006, 4:18 am

C’mon, don’t you know Downsizing and Modesty is the New Cool…? (pic) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 5:43 am

27m is downsizing? -- Dave Guenther -- 7/12/2006, 10:45 am

Downsizing:Once again I'm unwittingly in the Avant Garde -- Ken J. Invincible Summer, Alberg 35, Charleston SC -- 7/12/2006, 4:32 pm

It's a promotion -- Frank T -- 7/12/2006, 4:00 am

My mailman is going to expect a bigger tip because of it -- Todd V Acceptance -- 7/12/2006, 4:16 am

People who have something again the "Bums" don't understand cruising -- Jack -- 7/12/2006, 6:10 am

They seem squanderously wasteful to me. -- Walter -- 7/12/2006, 6:21 am

Squanderously wasteful --and also extremely "me"-centered -- Steve -- 7/12/2006, 8:19 am

I agree completely.. (pic) -- Julio, Seafarer 30, SF Bay -- 7/12/2006, 9:21 am

Why post? Because they don't know what they don't know -- JeanneP -- 7/12/2006, 4:22 pm

They are different, but so are all of us -- Jack -- 7/13/2006, 2:44 pm

You're right --the world of sailors can be neatly divided into two taxonomic classifications: -- Steve -- 7/13/2006, 6:18 pm

That would be optimism (nm) -- Quint -- 7/14/2006, 2:22 pm

Maybe they know that they're smart enough, and work hard enough, -- JeanneP -- 7/16/2006, 3:39 pm

15 seconds of fame? -- Walter -- 7/16/2006, 6:18 pm

Good post, Jack... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/12/2006, 6:34 am

"... to live within the expectations of others ..." (link) -- Brian Grant -- 7/12/2006, 9:09 am

I enjoy the Bum's logs... -- Jim -- 7/12/2006, 4:22 pm

response -- len -- 7/14/2006, 9:22 pm

How about if I included a pic of me and my RumFizzle pussy? Would that make you happy? (pic) -- Eli -- 7/15/2006, 10:01 am

see now you silly people have the bumfuzzles wasting their time here too (nm) -- quedice -- 7/15/2006, 3:13 pm

Eli, get your ass back to sanding or I'll write you up on the webiste for neglect of cruiser wife duty! -- Rat, SV RumPuzzle -- 7/15/2006, 9:14 pm

response to response -- len -- 7/14/2006, 10:56 pm

bumfuzzle -- len -- 7/14/2006, 9:06 pm

LMFAO! Dude, don't you realize these 2 yuppies from Chicago likely would have committed the Ultimate Anti-American Sin? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/15/2006, 5:47 am

I'm getting confused here --I'm critiquing the Bums and I love our president (link) -- Pat Rumpuzzle -- 7/15/2006, 8:53 am

The divisions exposed by the Bums -- Jack -- 7/16/2006, 8:25 am

Well said. (nm) -- Dave Westsail 42 Elysium -- 7/16/2006, 9:23 am

Thanks for puttin' me in a little box we can all understand, Jack. -- Laura, Meridian 25, Magnolia Beach, TX -- 7/16/2006, 10:41 am

Sounds about right -- Jim T -- 7/16/2006, 10:51 am

they have been luckly and their taste in food sucks -- quedice -- 7/16/2006, 12:33 pm

Luck? -- Lucky Lady -- 7/16/2006, 12:47 pm

if they are telling the truth about their weather skills, yes luck -- quedice -- 7/16/2006, 1:37 pm

LMFAO! Man, you gotta love it when an anonymous poster chastizes the posters here... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/16/2006, 2:18 pm

Jon that post was probably from one of them -- Steve P -- 7/17/2006, 11:48 am

Disagree completely that the cruising "reality is a lot more like the Bums describe" -- Tom -- 7/16/2006, 1:47 pm

Well said. (nm) -- Paul L -- 7/16/2006, 4:47 pm

Why do the Bums bother so many wanna be cruisers? -- Jack -- 7/16/2006, 5:32 pm

LOL! Shit, let's award them the Bluewater Medal, NOW... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/16/2006, 6:36 pm

F'n A man enough with the cliche's -- Steve P -- 7/17/2006, 11:42 am

apparently the bumfuzzles got their money by trading commoditys -- quedice -- 7/17/2006, 2:32 pm

Bum's money -- Jack -- 7/22/2006, 5:51 am

There are lots of ballsy things, but putting up all your money when you're young and unencumbered -- JeanneP -- 7/22/2006, 6:11 am

Absolutely -- Jack -- 7/22/2006, 6:49 am

Lots, and probably will do lots more. So what? (link) -- JeanneP -- 7/22/2006, 10:45 am

They have the Spirit of Joshua Slocum in em! (link) -- Rocko Delray -- 7/22/2006, 1:18 pm

Agree. I never understood why money would be anyones business. -- Bob -- 7/22/2006, 6:26 am

You can tell a great deal about a person by how he makes his money, and how he spends it. -- Vinton Kerfte -- 7/22/2006, 2:34 pm

That's a bizarre statement -- Jack -- 7/22/2006, 5:24 pm

Maybe not. -- Vinton Kerfte -- 7/22/2006, 6:24 pm

buy us a pizza pleazze! -- Ronald -- 7/22/2006, 6:35 pm

So far, you're the only loozer. Can you get any more vindictive little boy? (nm) -- Bob -- 7/22/2006, 10:21 pm

not coming from yacks (nm) -- Seymor Hynie -- 7/23/2006, 6:18 am

Bum's Money? -- Ronald -- 7/22/2006, 6:58 pm

Man you are one pathetic armchair wanker. -- Bob -- 7/22/2006, 10:18 pm

I'm not adding to this insiduous thread. Where my $10 ? ;) (nm) -- You Don't Care -- 7/22/2006, 7:04 am

Answer to how much money do the bums have? -- Hogan -- 7/24/2006, 6:54 am

I have $12.61, but that's Canadian so you'll have to do some math. (nm) -- D'Arcy - Islay Mist, C&C27 -- 7/24/2006, 9:30 am

"Perhaps the only honest assessment of a round the world cruise ever written. "...? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/16/2006, 5:58 pm

You're right on the mark, Jon -- Jack -- 7/16/2006, 6:29 pm

What, cruising destinations aren't crowed enough for you, already? (grin) (nm) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/16/2006, 6:42 pm

"It'll change your life." Wonder how it has changed the Bums life. Maybe next time they'll like the Marquesas? ;) (nm) -- Paul L -- 7/16/2006, 8:27 pm

Why is liking the Marquasas important? -- Jack -- 7/22/2006, 6:54 am

Think outside the Tahiti envelope -- Michael -- 7/22/2006, 7:01 am

keep talking, I'm looking to take a path less traveled too -- Catalina Kids -- 7/22/2006, 9:08 am

Hawaii changed their rules recently -- Phil - Boatless in CO -- 7/22/2006, 11:44 am

Hey thanks, I'll certainly check on it (nm) -- Catalina Kids -- 7/22/2006, 1:36 pm

Trip info...best I can -- Michael -- 7/23/2006, 5:42 am

Thanks Michael (nm) -- Catalina Kids -- 7/23/2006, 8:08 am

Exactly! -- Jack -- 7/22/2006, 9:56 am

Juan Fernandez Islands for the winter ?? (pic) -- Frank -- 7/23/2006, 2:48 am

The entire trip goes like this.... -- Michael -- 7/23/2006, 5:52 am

Bite me. -- Paul L -- 7/22/2006, 10:22 am

Jack, can you please give this thread/topic a rest...gettin' stale, man. -- Josh -- 7/22/2006, 10:33 am

Darn and just when it was getting interesting -- Michael -- 7/23/2006, 5:57 am

You're Crazy!! -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 5:46 am

Give it a rest, mate. Your posting life is currently out of control. (nm) -- Chester -- 7/24/2006, 8:04 am

"I wish there were thousands more people like Pat and Ali." -- Tom -- 7/16/2006, 10:35 pm

Oh my god are you guys still talking about this -- Steve P -- 7/17/2006, 11:10 am

Steve P, explain what bugs you about the Bumfuzzles -- Jack -- 7/17/2006, 12:11 pm

You're a troll I'm not talking to you -- Steve P -- 7/17/2006, 12:22 pm

Just about what one could expect from you -- Jack -- 7/17/2006, 12:41 pm

I'm actually quite helpful if you want to talk about boats (link) -- Steve P -- 7/17/2006, 12:51 pm

Make pizza onboard? -- Knot N. E. Ovthem -- 7/17/2006, 1:10 pm

I'm curious -- Steve P -- 7/17/2006, 1:14 pm

Nobody cares where the crew of Bumfuzzle got their money --and they make no secret of it anyway -- "Cruiser Pete" (Pete Miller) -- 7/17/2006, 1:16 pm

Don't bother responding to Steve P. -- Jack -- 7/17/2006, 5:37 pm

You guys are hilarious - I haven't seen a piss fight this good since JAX left (nm) -- D'Arcy, Islay Mist C&C27 -- 7/17/2006, 6:22 pm

JAX left? (nm) -- Paul L -- 7/17/2006, 6:27 pm

LOL! gotta pay closer attention, by my count he's posted using 5 or 6 different names in this thread alone (nm) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/17/2006, 7:11 pm

WTF are you counting? -- Knot N. E. Ovthem -- 7/17/2006, 7:15 pm

Same reason I do anything around here, for the amusement ... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/17/2006, 8:14 pm

Better two knot no sew much -- Knot N. E. Ovthem -- 7/18/2006, 2:51 am

LOL! So, I guess I was wrong about "Carl Rover" being you, huh...? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/18/2006, 7:42 am

Neither a horseshoe nor a hand grenade -- Knot N. E. Ovthem -- 7/18/2006, 5:41 pm

LOL! Damn, so you're telling me "Knot N. E. Ovthem" is the ONLY one I got right...? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/18/2006, 7:25 pm

Yacks you are so transparent (nm) -- You Don't Care -- 7/20/2006, 6:54 am

LMAO! Is that really what Modern Cruising has come to ...? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/17/2006, 6:36 pm

I know... -- Jack -- 7/17/2006, 7:11 pm

LOL! Is that supposed to be a reply to my post? well, that is NOT what I said, at all... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/17/2006, 7:55 pm

You talk to Neptune with that mouth, Jack? -- Ripley -- 7/17/2006, 8:00 pm

Hey Jack, you're upsetting the status-quo -- Larry s/v Symmetri -- 7/18/2006, 5:03 am

Hi Larry, nice meeting you and your wife yesterday also... -- jnorth -- 7/18/2006, 10:12 am

And about 40k per year (nm) -- dave Westsail 42 Elysium -- 7/18/2006, 5:46 am

"you don't even need to know how to tie a bowline to sail around the world."...LOL -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/18/2006, 3:47 pm

Greg, don't you realize the most impressive aspect of the BF's achievement, where they've truly broken new ground... (pic) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/18/2006, 7:21 pm

Come on, Jon, give the Bums a break. How can that old coot know anything about a "rage" -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/18/2006, 10:52 pm

Jon -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 7:51 am

Actually, I agree with much of what you say... What perplexes me about the Fuzzlers is not... (pic) -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/19/2006, 10:25 am

What windvane is that, Jon? -- Chuck McGohey -- 7/20/2006, 6:59 am

Even granted that their June Lats and Atts article is sort of tongue in cheek, Jack, there is little appealing about (link) -- Rob -- 7/19/2006, 10:39 am

Zing ! Looks like Jon got -scorched- ! -- Obi One Konebe -- 7/20/2006, 7:20 am

YEAH!! WHAT HE SAID!! (nm) -- Marc -- 7/22/2006, 8:55 am

Jon, be careful. Steve P wears a "cup". You might stub yer toe ;) (nm) -- Obi One Konebe -- 7/22/2006, 5:05 pm

Simple question -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 6:59 am

Umm...would you rock climb without knowing a figure 8? Same type of deal. (nm) -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 7:05 am

Sure, I do it all the time -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 8:01 am

Obviously you missed the point - why risk your life without knowing the basics (nm) -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 8:07 am

No, you've missed the point... -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 8:16 am

I guess we have different definitions of what are "the basics". (nm) -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 8:22 am

For someone who claims to not be one of them -- Steve P -- 7/19/2006, 4:12 pm

LOL! Never would have figured you for such a conspiracy theorist, Steve... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/19/2006, 10:23 pm

lol--i predict pat & ali will become cruising world editors -- quedice -- 7/20/2006, 6:39 am

:) is that all there is to a fire? (nm) -- Catalina Kids -- 7/20/2006, 8:34 am

An outsiders take -- Jon -- 7/21/2006, 12:28 pm

yawn (nm) -- Catalina Kids -- 7/21/2006, 12:42 pm

Wow....over 800 words. Must be that gassbagging runs in "Jon' gene. (nm) -- Gotripped -- 7/21/2006, 1:58 pm

Good points. I like the Bums. Good people with a sense of adventure. -- Bob -- 7/21/2006, 2:05 pm

WOW! What Have I Missed? I Can Tie a Bowline AND Sorta Always Liked Steve P.... (link) -- Jan, s/v Winterlude, currently Rio Dulce, Guatemala -- 7/21/2006, 7:23 pm

Dude, first of all your f*in' lame b/c you dissed Clifton Clowers and Steve P in the same post -- Mick -- 7/21/2006, 9:01 pm

No, he's totally correct -- Clifton Clowers -- 7/24/2006, 8:09 am

bottle knot (pic) -- Phil - Boatless in CO -- 7/24/2006, 8:20 am

Phil: glad I could help (nm) -- Clifton Clowers -- 7/24/2006, 8:35 am

FWIW: he he Ha Ha I feel the same way about Steve P!! (nm) (pic) -- Nick L - M33 - T-town PNW -- 7/23/2006, 5:59 pm

little tidbit about figure 8 vs. bowline -- tomC -- 7/19/2006, 8:27 am

Sounds close to what the BlueWater rep told me at Neptune Mountaineering.... -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 8:35 am

Okay, so my numbers are off a bit. -- tomC -- 7/19/2006, 8:37 am

Believe it or not, -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 8:58 am

Depends on who's research you believe.... -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 9:01 am

That's true, but -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 9:09 am

92%? -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 9:18 am

You're right -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 9:38 am

...yes, true advantage for crack climbing.. -- Phil - boatless in CO -- 7/19/2006, 10:20 am

What sort of master's ticket makes you memorise crap like that? -- Frank -- 7/19/2006, 3:30 pm

Hate to tell you this, Frank, but... what you do doesn't impress me any more... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/19/2006, 3:42 pm

OK fella.....! -- Frank -- 7/20/2006, 2:12 am

things have been getting a little weird around here lately (nm) -- Clifton Clowers -- 7/20/2006, 7:29 am

And I'm still wondering what sort of Master's ticket makes you memorise crap like that :) (nm) -- Frank -- 7/24/2006, 2:36 pm

If I knew jack, I'd tell ya. (nm) -- Anonymous Coward -- 7/24/2006, 2:58 pm

I'll guess you don't have a ticket. :) -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 3:17 pm

USCG?..ah...what we call a 'creeks and gullies' ticket -- Frank -- 7/24/2006, 4:42 pm

The Deckie is nice, -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 5:14 pm

Nothing fancy....just an old fashioned thing issued by the Board of Trade -- Frank -- 7/24/2006, 7:17 pm

Oh, yeah, they give you a ticket (link) -- Brian Grant -- 7/24/2006, 9:09 pm

Now you come to mention it...it is a one-way ticket.. :) (nm) -- Frank -- 7/24/2006, 10:18 pm

LOL! Nah, Frank's got a ticket, alright - though not nearly as small as yours, or mine... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/24/2006, 5:05 pm

Not that big, Jon...... (pic) -- Frank -- 7/24/2006, 7:11 pm

WheneverI see a thread this long..... -- bill b -- 7/24/2006, 6:57 pm

Who? (nm) -- Eugene Medford -- 7/24/2006, 7:06 pm

Is that you, Winston Grants-Pass? (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/24/2006, 11:29 pm

Grants Pass? Medford? Eugene? Next thing you know some will be from Cave Junction! (nm) -- Michael -- 7/25/2006, 8:24 am

Be in Cave Junction in late August. Inlaws and outlaws there.... -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/25/2006, 4:41 pm

To be perfectly honest -- Michael -- 7/26/2006, 1:52 pm

Looks like Pat would be clueless climbing as well -- Ronald -- 7/19/2006, 7:26 pm

Hmmm...Jack is Pat...hadn't thought of that...you're probably right. Hi, Pat. Enjoying the "show"?! :-) -- RJ -- 7/19/2006, 8:47 pm

maybe his sheets are tied on with square knots! now that would be funny (nm) -- quedice -- 7/19/2006, 7:22 am

If his boat is like most I know -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 8:10 am

sorrry old salts and racers don't use shackles on sheets (nm) -- quedice -- 7/19/2006, 5:07 pm

You Didn't read, did you? -- Jack -- 7/21/2006, 8:22 pm

Landis may win the TDF but.... -- Michael -- 7/21/2006, 9:47 pm

Hmmm, wonder where Tiger Woods would be today... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/22/2006, 6:33 pm

Once again, you miss the point -- Jack -- 7/23/2006, 5:48 am

you may have missed Jon's point... -- John DeLong -- 7/23/2006, 6:44 am

LOL! Once again, you're putting words in my mouth... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/24/2006, 4:49 pm

OK, so explain what relevance Tiger's background has to a casual sailor? -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 5:19 pm

LMFAO! Are you freakin' SERIOUS? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/24/2006, 6:12 pm

Come on Jon,...we're all just waiting around to die according to Jack.. (pic) -- Phil - Boatless in CO -- 7/24/2006, 7:25 pm

"Bumfuzzle" would be a PERFECT name for a "One-Hit-Wonder" Band, wouldn't it...? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/24/2006, 8:29 pm

Well when their 15 min is up we can call them the "BumFizzles" -- BJV -- 7/25/2006, 5:42 am

Sailing and the basics... gee I hope not, otherwise I have wasted a lot of time... -- Gene Carman -- 7/24/2006, 10:55 am

So, there's Tiger Woods driving his rental Mercedes into..... -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/24/2006, 12:22 pm

what if one of them fancy eye splices breaks at sea, in a gale? (nm) -- *** -- 7/22/2006, 5:30 am

Fancy? Troll, there's nothing fancy about an eye splice, it's just stronger and safer than a knot (link) -- JeanneP -- 7/22/2006, 5:58 am

It's a legitimate question, not a troll -- *** -- 7/22/2006, 9:17 am

Why couldn't you have said it that way the first time? In answer to your question, -- JeanneP -- 7/22/2006, 10:55 am

Simple answer -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/19/2006, 9:45 am

You're just plain wrong -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 10:15 am

LOL! C'mon, Jack - don't you think you're overreaching in the effort to make your point, just a BIT...? -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/19/2006, 10:33 am

I'd love to take that bet -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 10:49 am

They're fisherman and also likely grew up on the water...no comparison. (nm) -- Rob -- 7/19/2006, 11:08 am

Well then, wouldn't you think they'd know... -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 11:44 am

Pedagogically, there is such thing as "the basics", but probably not for fishermen so much -- Rob -- 7/19/2006, 12:11 pm

Hmmm, interesting point of view... sure, the variety of knots that can be tied is infinite... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/19/2006, 12:39 pm

More important bet -- Ronald -- 7/19/2006, 11:41 am

You bet -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 12:14 pm

Exactly right, Jack.! -- Laura, Meridian 25, Magnolia Beach, TX -- 7/19/2006, 1:19 pm

Death rate for native/aboriginal fishermen is actually "10 times higher"... -- Geres -- 7/20/2006, 8:07 am

Greg's not wrong about that boring part. I'm out. (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/19/2006, 10:38 am

LOL... do you have a reading disability, Jack? -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/19/2006, 10:46 am

Greg, your bias is showing -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 10:51 am

The "basics" are for everyone -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/19/2006, 9:46 pm

If you don't know how to tie a bowline... -- Frank -- 7/19/2006, 3:37 pm

Re: "You people are so arrogent it's hysterical." -- Worfell -- 7/20/2006, 2:37 am

Geeze, Jack. Don't you mean 'arrogant', as in.... -- Bill Bob -- 7/20/2006, 2:44 am

Bowline Use -- TomN -- 7/25/2006, 9:27 am

Bowline Use (link) (pic) -- TomN -- 7/25/2006, 10:04 am

I have seen sheets tied with bowlines come loose (nm) -- Bob Perry -- 7/25/2006, 10:35 am

try wrapping some tape or "rig wrap" around the bitter end (nm) -- Bob Perry -- 7/25/2006, 10:55 am

To fasten off a bowline knot... -- Michael -- 7/25/2006, 1:26 pm

Isuppose that you have to take the bad with the good. I -- Steve on "Brendon" -- 7/25/2006, 9:06 pm

A great deal of the bowlines usefulness is its ability to be un-tied easily. It does not (pic) -- vic -- 7/25/2006, 11:37 am

And if you can't find a knot in the book it is called.... -- Dave Westsail 42 Elysium -- 7/25/2006, 11:51 am

But be aware of the "snowball knot" it will melt at the least oppurtune time! lol (nm) -- Just an old BN -- 7/26/2006, 2:09 am

that is very cool (nm) -- Bob Perry -- 7/25/2006, 12:19 pm

Bumfuzzle threads never die, they don't even fade away -- Rick I -- 7/25/2006, 12:43 pm

I have no idea what a bumfuzzle is and at this point I don't think I want to know -- Bob Perry -- 7/25/2006, 12:55 pm

I'll never tie a bowline that way (link) -- Brian Grant -- 7/25/2006, 1:36 pm

The 'bunny' story is way out of the times, Brian. The new story is -- vic -- 7/26/2006, 2:54 am

I used to climb a fair bit (while back) -- BJV -- 7/25/2006, 11:58 am

Has anyone tried the SPLICE NUTS -- Bob Perry -- 7/26/2006, 7:15 am

PT Rigging had some of those and... -- Michael -- 7/26/2006, 6:43 pm

Splicing nuts -- Joe Dougan -- 7/26/2006, 7:02 pm

thanks, I'll try them out -- Bob Perry -- 7/27/2006, 6:40 am

It's a useful knot that you can bet your life on...yes, it is. (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/19/2006, 10:37 am

Why do keep sticking up for willfull ignorance? -- Catalina Kids -- 7/19/2006, 7:48 pm

They haven't done anything dangerous -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 9:11 am

Okay, Jack. YOU WIN. We ALL agree with you. (nm) -- Laura, Meridian 25, Magnolia Beach, Tx -- 7/24/2006, 10:01 am

See my post below. Get a life, Jack. (nm) -- Chester -- 7/24/2006, 10:47 am

Oh but they have. -- Comodoro Rivadavia -- 7/24/2006, 5:53 pm

OK, if that's your position, Please explain exactly what it is that they've done that was dangerous? -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 6:16 pm

They sailed out of sight of land AND after sundown (nm) -- Comodoro Rivadavia -- 7/24/2006, 7:08 pm

Anyone that doesn't give a damn what kind of knot they tie -- Laura, Meridian 25, Magnolia Beach, Tx -- 7/24/2006, 8:27 pm

So what knot do they use when sending someone up the mast? -- Jack -- 7/24/2006, 10:52 pm

I don't think they have done anything dangerous... (pic) -- Frank -- 7/25/2006, 3:34 am

The point is that he publicly stated that he doesn't give a damn. -- Laura, Meridian 25, Magnolia Beach, TX -- 7/25/2006, 7:38 am

Just a hunch, but I'll presume it's me, once again, you're referring to... -- Jon Eisberg -- 7/24/2006, 5:56 pm

When I was a fireman we had knot tying and could tie bowlines in a bitter end behind our backs....many in a minute. (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/19/2006, 9:48 am

Any sailor worth his salt -- Greg Kozlowski -- 7/19/2006, 9:51 am

Again, you're wrong (nm) -- Jack -- 7/19/2006, 10:17 am

Not "should", but rather "can" -- PatrickL -- 7/19/2006, 4:47 pm

I find it very satisfying to be able -- Clifton Clowers -- 7/20/2006, 8:04 am

I have used a rolling hitch back on itself and pulled tight to hold a wine bottle -- PatrickL -- 7/20/2006, 8:26 am

call me Clifton -- Clifton Clowers -- 7/20/2006, 8:52 am

Clifton is this it... -- Phil -- 7/20/2006, 10:41 am

That's it by gum! -- Clifton Clowers -- 7/20/2006, 1:15 pm

that wouldn't work here in Mexico -- Catalina Kids -- 7/20/2006, 12:33 pm

Sure it would - cool to 95 from 100+ in the cabin (nm) -- Tom H -- 7/20/2006, 1:52 pm

Is that a wine draggin' bowline? (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/20/2006, 3:00 pm

nope...it's a bowine :-) (nm) -- Phil - Boatless in CO -- 7/20/2006, 8:14 pm

Huh. I thought a bowine was cow from Napa Valley... :) (nm) -- Westcoaster, Dovekie, JOURNEY and THE SKIFF -- 7/20/2006, 8:24 pm

Like my wifes favorite knot. (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/21/2006, 5:10 am

Try Velcro fender straps instead (nm) -- Charlie Brown -- 7/21/2006, 5:59 am

Argh!!! I just clicked on this thread again...but only to see yet more posts today...it's like HEROIN to an ADDICT... -- Mick -- 7/19/2006, 2:15 pm

First hulls free kid. What-r-ya-fraid of? Your mommy will find out? (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 2:39 pm

Anyone who adds one more post to this thread is a Knothead (nm) -- Ron Chappell -- 7/19/2006, 2:43 pm

That's "Mr Knothead" (nm) (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 3:50 pm

I knew it! ...we're all a bunch of knotneads! (nm) -- Ron Chappell -- 7/19/2006, 3:53 pm

ooops.... damn thumbs.... try again in a stern voice.... lean in closer.... "THAT'S Mr Knothead!!!!" :-) (nm) (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 4:20 pm

Blye...what're you tawkin' about (link) -- Mick -- 7/19/2006, 3:24 pm

So what! They could get that shit and they did. Why would I care? They're doing it. And I love the way (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 3:49 pm

Blye- where was that pic taken? (nm) -- Charlie Jones -- 7/19/2006, 5:09 pm

ah ah ah woof woof... gotta get my breath back... long scroll down to respond... huff huff (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 6:07 pm

Another pic (nm) (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 6:11 pm

That is on ugly mutt..............................................what is that he's holding? (nm) -- March -- 7/20/2006, 2:14 am

ROFL - understand about the scrolling- You can just hit "end" you know;D Thanks -- Charlie Jones -- 7/19/2006, 7:06 pm

Hey, that's how much of the tropical world looks. A few more years and we're back (if I live long enough) :-) (nm) (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/19/2006, 8:15 pm

;D You aren't alone it seems- fast approaching 5,000 looks between this and the one -- Charlie Jones -- 7/19/2006, 2:50 pm

I don't think the Bumfizzles are as stupid as as they want many of us to think they are. (link) -- KaptainKen -- 7/20/2006, 5:53 am

I'm looking at a new (to us) sailboat. What do you think? (link) (pic) -- Blye -- 7/20/2006, 6:31 pm

Looks good to me - maybe you'll run into the Bumfuzzels ...or vice- versa :) (nm) -- Ron Chappell -- 7/20/2006, 7:03 pm

Have it Surveyed by two separate Multi-hull experts (link) -- Bob -- 7/20/2006, 8:35 pm

I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned it here, but those things are prone to flip over! (nm) -- Ron Chappell -- 7/21/2006, 5:29 am

For Christ sake. Those catamarans are death traps. Been proven time and time again (nm) -- Old Curmudgeon -- 7/21/2006, 7:57 am

Prone? C'mon Ron- possible yes, but prone?? VERY few -- Charlie Jones -- 7/21/2006, 8:10 am

I think Ron was tongue in cheek on that one.. -- Bob -- 7/21/2006, 9:57 am

Aw Charlie, I was just a funnin' .... -- Ron Chappell -- 7/21/2006, 10:33 am

OH I know Ron, but it's been something that has bugged multi sailors for year. More monos -- Charlie Jones -- 7/21/2006, 11:05 am

You're right again Charlie... -- Ron Chappell -- 7/21/2006, 11:51 am

The one thing I cant get my mind around is -- BJV -- 7/21/2006, 11:03 am

You get a better view of that Rogue wave as it builds astern. (smile) (nm) -- Bob -- 7/21/2006, 11:23 am

Those sliding patio doors...c'mon admit it...you've always wanted a boat with sliding patio doors! -- Harry -- 7/21/2006, 8:35 pm

I think those boats are made by -- rich sv jasmine -- 7/21/2006, 6:27 am

also -- rich sv jasmine -- 7/21/2006, 6:34 am

I like the listing, which says that since that cat did the Cape Town-Rio race, it's "proven", -- Mark Miller -- 7/21/2006, 8:16 am

Based on my recent experience with a multi hull... -- Michael -- 7/21/2006, 1:09 pm

Refresh my memory, what type of cat was it? (nm) -- Blye -- 7/21/2006, 2:14 pm

Gemini 32 (nm) -- Michael -- 7/21/2006, 8:50 pm

I went aboard one of those last year at the boat show, I wasn't too impressed with the build quality -- Catalina Kids -- 7/22/2006, 5:37 am

you got that right...it's a walk away and don't look back boat (nm) -- Michael -- 7/22/2006, 6:25 am

I sailed on a Gemini 32 last year in a bay and it was pretty nice. -- Walter Pigeon -- 7/22/2006, 2:30 pm

Some but not much... -- Michael -- 7/23/2006, 6:05 am

So the delivery is on 'hold'? (nm) -- Wally -- 7/22/2006, 12:12 am

Not 'on hold' rather 'cancelled' -- Michael -- 7/22/2006, 6:26 am

The one person we haven't heard from in this whole polemic is -- Jannie -- 7/19/2006, 8:53 pm

How does that song go..... -- Frank -- 7/20/2006, 2:09 am