at http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductReviewView?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&catentryId=161559&storeNum=&subdeptNum=&classNum= . Think I'll stick with the old style and MOM8. Steve, looks like you are making great progress toward PV. Chacala was lots of fun as I recall. Hi to Denny; Ed.