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• The official report on the TEAM VESTAS WIND grounding last November has been released...
  • 'lucky enough' or, simply missed the island by accident.
  • No matter what charts, it will be a long time before somebody slams THAT island again.
    • a long time??
      • It will seem like a looooooooong time to Team Vestas.
  • Some interesting tidbits you didn't report:
    • I agree with all that. You can't blame the tools you don't use for your problems.
      • Me too. You can't require reading to eliminate complacency.
    • That's a VERY thoughful analysis...
      • The simplest and quickest action
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        • Yeah, but the navigator was not using the chartplotters for passage planning/routing...
          • They had two detailed CMap FOBs
            • Amazing how quickly the paper vs electronic chart debate, has waned.
            • OOPS. That should read "I'm NOT as skilled of a navigator…"
              • Nah, you're wrong about that...
            • As always, your input on this stuff is greatly appreciated...
              • I agree that glancing at a paper chart would have shown the danger
                • All good points, again...
                  • Unlocked CMap
                    • This navigational error looked typical to me from the start. There is only one thing that still surprises me.
                      • Yeah, but the VOR ain't your run-of-the-mill Oyster Millenium RTW Rally, however... (grin)
                        • Thanks, that answers my question. Case closed.
                        • That restriction seems to be all about phone communication
                          • Think about weight . . .
                            • They share tooth brushes?
                            • Probably right, but it's not about texting. GPS and world charts. Who wants to be in the dark today?
                            • Again, the restrictions according to the Notice of the Race are considerable...
                              • Too bad, they may have been saved a lot of grief by one hand held device, and another pair of eyes.
                                • Perhaps, but I still say a quick glance at the British Admiralty or DMA chart of the Western Indian Ocean ...
                • I will dispute your point #1...
                  • Pull up a raster chart of that entire ocean
                    • I did not dispute that, just your point #1.
                      • I would need to see an actual example
                        • It is not a matter of resolution, it is presentation and cognition...
                          • You just changed your argument
                            • I have a full scale paper chart of Penobscot Bay.
                              • If you disposed of the chart every day after you used it once, yes. We use paper charts years, not hours. ;^)))
                                • Not charts, we dispose of newspaper every day.
                            • I did not change (read it again ) - mainly arguing number of pixels i.e. information.
                            • I did not change (read it again ) - mainly arguing number of pixels i.e. information.
          • Our Nobeltec (the old one and the "new-one", after MaxSea)
            • In this case Cmap uses a USB FOB
  • Jeppson refused to provide anwsers unless they had editorial control
  • This paragraph bothered me:
    • Musical Chairs?