But I still think you're way out of line by on your position that Clive doesn't deserve to own a boat, just because he asked a newbie question.

Everyone starts somewhere, and answers like yours won't encourage him to ask more questions on this board. :(

Clive -- if you're reading this: You got some good advice and I hope you will have the guts to keep asking. That's how we all learn, and there's an amazing pool of collective knowledge and experience here. Most of us are gasbags and we enjoy sharing info. Do take advantage of it.